Talk:Hot dog/Archive 4

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Origin

Never th origin of hot dog is in United states. The origin of hot dog is Germany ! --Susocake (talk) 00:01, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

That's a problem, then, - as to if you are speaking to the creation of a sausage or the combination of a sausage and split-roll. And finally, the naming of it. 70.160.12.49 (talk) 21:50, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

Maybe, the sausage Wiener or Frankfurter. But the complete Hot Dog with Hot Dog Rolls and Mustard is an American Idea. Fact. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:D1:27FF:F61:E859:9E9B:DD43:BB62 (talk) 09:54, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 May 2018

Please add the following to the 'External links' section:

• "National Hot Dog and Sausage Council".

2606:A000:1126:4CA:0:98F2:CFF6:1782 (talk) 20:43, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: Per WP:ELNO Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 20:57, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

Okay, but wouldn't that organization fall under External_links#Official_links? Btw, I have no connection to the aforementioned, but found it to be useful for research into the subject. 2606:A000:1126:4CA:0:98F2:CFF6:1782 (talk) 21:54, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

Hot dogs do not have an official website. ~ GB fan 22:28, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

Ingredients - "ingredients linked to health problems"

Claiming that sodium, fat and nitrites are linked with health problems is a large enough claim that this needs to be cited or reference some other article or removed. I would think removed would be better. Are we attempting to describe what the ingredients are or is someone trying to shoehorn in some of their own opinions? For example: Sodium, in excessive amounts may be linked to health problems, but it's also linked with necessary bodily functions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.59.11.239 (talk) 06:04, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

==Etymology

"In the early 20th century, consumption of dog meat in Germany was common." This statement is misleading and prejudiced. Even with the citation of contemporary newspaper articles, which have to be considered biased and sensationalist. It doesn't add anything to the discussion. I would recommend deletion of the sentence — Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.89.218.92 (talk) 13:50, 4 July 2018 (UTC)

I created most of that section, just not that sentence. However, consumption of dog meat (knowingly) in America was extremely rare -- even a crime under some circumstances THEN. If you look under the "DOG MEAT" article, it provides different sources.

""Dog meat has been eaten in every major German crisis since, at least, the time of Frederick the Great, and is commonly referred to as "blockade mutton".[7] In the early 20th century, high meat prices led to widespread consumption of horse and dog meat in Germany.[164][165][166]

In the latter part of World War I, dog meat was being eaten in Saxony by the poorer classes because of famine conditions.[167]

The consumption of dog meat continued in the 1920s.[168][169] In 1937, a meat inspection law targeted against trichinella was introduced for pigs, dogs, boars, foxes, badgers, and other carnivores.[170] Dog meat has been prohibited in Germany since 1986.[171] . Oogles (talk) 07:26, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

Coleslaw and olives

I have not seen those toppings, to whomever added them can you please state your location and the place of the sighted toppings. Bod (talk) 03:45, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

Greek salad and olives, I've seen. "Greek Dog" lol, I think they were trying to be clever. Coleslaw is pretty standard to not be 'amazed' if it was at least available. And fits with other meat-and-bread products. Olives, a little more odd -- though could easily see it in a "relish" (or "chutney") but just 'cause someone out there has done it before, doesn't really make it a good idea. Some things in like Louisiana, lot of different places there, some might have had olives, but more a relish type thing, as a condiment.

I've seen peanut butter and bacon hot dogs, doesn't make them exactly common -even though served by a fast food chain (Sonic Drive In) Though, not a constant item on the menu, periodic. Oogles (talk) 22:34, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 November 2018

In fact, two German towns vie to be the original birthplace of the modern hot dog. Frankfurt claims the frankfurter was invented there over 500 years ago, in 1484: eight years before Columbus set sail for America. But the people of Vienna (Wien, in German) say they are the true originators of the “wienerwurst.” Adadwwasefadaw (talk) 02:07, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

 Not done. It's not clear what changes you want to make to the article. Please make your request with the precise change wanted. Also make sure to provide reliable sources to back up any claims if applicable. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 02:31, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

Isn't hot dog NOT a sandwich?

See, for example: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2015/11/07/a-hot-dog-is-not-a-sandwich/75362898/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.49.66.82 (talk) 19:00, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 31 January 2019

In the first sentence, there is the additional word "link" in the link to "sausage sandwich":

"The hot dog or dog (also spelled hotdog) is a grilled or steamed link-sausage sandwich where..." Tom317 (talk) 15:48, 31 January 2019 (UTC)

Why is that a problem? It's very common that link text is used that is different from the linked article name. I think it would look odd if only half the "link-sausage" text was blue. --IamNotU (talk) 17:27, 31 January 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:45, 31 January 2019 (UTC)

Vegetarian sausage in a roll

Would a vegetarian sausage in a roll still be a hot dog?Vorbee (talk) 20:27, 3 February 2019 (UTC)

Title description vandalism

Random new guy here. Is the title description just stuck as "A hot dog so sexy" until it reopens for editing? I don't think that's supposed to be in the title description. Is there any way to fix that? EliArcMustardLab (talk) 23:16, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

EliArcMustardLab, I don't see that anywhere, the title is just "Hot dog". What is a "title description"? --IamNotU (talk) 00:46, 25 June 2019 (UTC)

IamNotU Well first of all I don't understand how to respond here so if you see this message I did it right. It's a small descriptive tag underneath the title. I'm on mobile, and it's possible the tag can only be seen on mobile. I don't remember seeing similar things on desktop. EliArcMustardLab (talk) 04:07, 25 June 2019 (UTC)

EliArcMustardLab, ok thanks, I see on the mobile app you get the "short description" from Wikidata: [1]. It was vandalized yesterday, and fixed a couple of hours later. If you're still seeing it, maybe try refreshing the page. PS, after you make a few more edits, you'll become autoconfirmed and will be able to edit this page. --IamNotU (talk) 17:11, 25 June 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 September 2019

History section:

1) Frankfurt in Germany- clarify whether this is Frankfurt am Main or Frankfurt an der Oder and provide a link to that entry. 2) whose name is Wien in German, replace with: (Wien in German) 2A00:23C5:3180:4900:5DDF:23B8:2BB7:F9AD (talk) 12:39, 7 September 2019 (UTC)

 Done --IamNotU (talk) 13:40, 7 September 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 July 2020

Under Canada, Skinner's is listed. You can link to their restaurant which still exists: https://skinnershwy44.com/ It is the oldest hot dog venue in Canada. Glechman (talk) 17:51, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

We practically never link to websites of businesses except on their own Wikipedia articles. However they are possibly notable enough for an article here, someone should consider writing it. – Thjarkur (talk) 19:17, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

Add “Glizzy” to hot dog terms

Glizzy is now being used to refer to hot dogs Foreveralone713 (talk) 22:07, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 July 2020

Add “glizzy” to common terms used to describe hot dogs. Foreveralone713 (talk) 22:09, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

Not sufficiently widespread to mention, we aren't a dictionary so we only mention the most important ones. – Thjarkur (talk) 22:54, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 August 2020

Term Glizzy as a hotdog is not a new name yet an old name further restored. many articles describing the term glizzy as a name for a hotdog for years. please add to the alternative names list. GlizzyGuzzler (talk) 04:21, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: For the same reasons as the previous requests, e.g. Talk:Hot dog/Archive 4#Semi-protected edit request on 29 July 2020

Semi-protected edit request on 18 September 2020

hotdog be change to glizzy Therealmegantheestallion1 (talk) 17:28, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: page move requests should be made at Wikipedia:Requested moves. —KuyaBriBri^Talk 17:41, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 November 2020

Cilazark (talk) 16:02, 13 November 2020 (UTC) I want to edit please

 Not done: this is not the right page to request additional user rights. You may reopen this request with the specific changes to be made and someone will add them for you, or if you have an account, you can wait until you are autoconfirmed and edit the page yourself. ‑‑ElHef (Meep?) 16:13, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 December 2020

Add the word 'Glizzy' to alternative names. Glizzy Nibble92 (talk) 12:07, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. --TheImaCow (talk) 13:28, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

Since Wikipedia isn't a dictionary, we only list a few major synonyms. – Thjarkur (talk) 13:30, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

Proposal to change "garnish" to "topping" to more accurately reflect use and intent of accessory foods when used on hot dogs.

Usage of the word "garnish" as used in the introductory and general description sections is not congruent with the definition of the word or the intended of the function of the described substance.

garnish: a decoration or embellishment for something, especially food.

topping: a layer of food poured or spread over a base of a different type of food to add flavor.

Listed article examples state "onions, sauerkraut, jalapeños, chili, grated cheese, coleslaw, bacon, and olives". Each of these better fits the latter definition as the primary intent is to add flavor, rather than act of the visual appeal of the food i.e. to act as an ingredient rather than decoration.

As this is a semi-protected article I am requesting a consensus on this wording change prior to making an official request per the policy guidelines. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:88E4:350:997B:395A:559C:8B4E (talk) 00:32, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

"Glizzy" listed at Redirects for discussion

A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Glizzy. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 March 31#Glizzy until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 18:51, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 July 2021

There is no need to pay weird fanservice to a meme in the opening sentence. There has not been substantial debate as to whether a hot dog is a sandwich and to have this immediately be shown in the Google results is absolutely unnecessary. Wikipedia is a source for actual knowledge. 2A02:AA7:4608:1BA0:1:2:9211:DE84 (talk) 17:34, 26 July 2021 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. The sandwich part of the article seems supported by sources. Discuss here with other editors to get consensus on any changes here. RudolfRed (talk) 21:04, 26 July 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 August 2021

Joey Chestnut holds the record of 76 hotdogs consumed in 10 minutes, set on July 4th, 2021 at Nathan’s, beating his previous record of 75. 24.78.84.30 (talk) 06:16, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. firefly ( t · c ) 06:22, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment

This article is or was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Odog20.

Above undated message substituted from Template:Dashboard.wikiedu.org assignment by PrimeBOT (talk) 08:39, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

"Some consider it a sandwich"

Needs citation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.121.173.154 (talk) 04:56, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Further down the page, there is a whole section. UserTwoSix (talk) 22:49, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 April 2022

Remove the image labeled "Long hot dog in bun" which is included in the gallery under the "Outside North America" section. The image's source on Flickr states that the image was taken in Latona, Washington, and it shares nothing with the other images in the Gallery other than being a hot dog. DearlyMush (talk) 19:52, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

 Done _signed, Willondon (talk) 20:41, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

Hot dog slang

Today, hot dogs are commonly referred to as Glizzies! Would love to have this added please. 98.234.116.199 (talk) 16:01, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

What's your source? _signed, Willondon (talk) 16:44, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 August 2022

Remove the sentence mentioning the hot dog is considered by some to be a sandwich in the opening of this page. The line feels out of place and it's referencing a meme rather than stating an objective fact relevant to a primer on hot dogs. 2600:1014:B050:16AE:44E7:3886:C9F9:370C (talk) 18:23, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 21:02, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

A hotdog is a sandwich.

Definition according to Oxford: an item of food consisting of two pieces of bread with meat, cheese, or other filling between them, eaten as a light meal. Definition according to Merriam Webster: two or more slices of bread or a split roll having a filling in between. A hotdog is two pieces of bread with meat filled in between. Therefore, a hotdog is a sandwich. Please explain to me how it is not a sandwich.RedPanda1587 (talk) 22:28, 29 November 2022 (UTC)

Hot Dog Article

In Canada Skinner's Restaurant, in Lockport, Manitoba, is reputed to be Canada's oldest hot dog outlet in continuous operation, founded in 1929 by Jim Skinner Sr. Hot dogs served at Skinner's are European style foot-long (30.5 cm) hot dogs with natural casings, manufactured by Winnipeg Old Country Sausage in Winnipeg, Manitoba.[citation needed]

The Half Moon Drive In, also in Lockport, Manitoba, and located directly across the river from Skinner's, was established in 1938 by Louie Kosowicz and later brother Peter joined in managing the business. The original drive-in consisted of three wooden buildings shaped like semicircles—one was for takeout, one was for dine-in, and the third was a dance hall and later an arcade. The Halfmoon also serves European-style wieners manufactured by Winnipeg Old Country Sausage. One of the most popular hot dog was the "Deluxe" hotdog with 2 wieners. The original Halfmoon closed in the 1980's.

The new Half Moon Drive (which has no association to original Halfmoon) most popular item is the Moon Dog, consisting of a hot dog topped with cheese, bacon, fried onions, pickles and mustard; serving about 2,000 on an average summer weekend day. Dpmarsch (talk) 19:16, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

Corn dogs

noun a good processed food item for eating only 2600:100A:B035:1103:2566:9240:E412:C302 (talk) 14:27, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 May 2023

In the lead section: Change "Common garnishes include sauerkraut," to "Common toppings include sauerkraut,"

Garnishes are decorative and toppings are for flavor Elifeye1 (talk) 23:47, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit semi-protected}} template. Heart ^(talk) 04:17, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

Possible vandalism

Ive never once heard frankfurters be simply called 'franks' is there a reliable souce? 2A00:23C7:5AD0:8F01:638C:63F8:CFC3:81FA (talk) 06:27, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

There are already several sources in the article that use the term "franks". Meters (talk) 06:53, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 June 2023

My reason t edit this is I found out on how the hotdog was first invented and I wanted to edit because I want to world to know about it CoolKidgamer1233 (talk) 19:29, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: this is not the right page to request additional user rights. You may reopen this request with the specific changes to be made and someone may add them for you, or if you have an account, you can wait until you are autoconfirmed and edit the page yourself. DanCherek (talk) 20:25, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

Edit semi-protected

In the intro, please replace the word food with dish. 2600:100C:A103:309B:4892:1F46:288:C5BE (talk) 20:21, 23 November 2023 (UTC)  Done Maproom (talk) 21:37, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

Variations

Double dog. Drsruli (talk) 06:38, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 April 2024

For education purpose Ivantan1113 (talk) 20:12, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. --Ferien (talk) 21:25, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

Bun

A hot dog[1][2] is a dish consisting of a grilled, steamed, or boiled sausage served in the slit of a partially sliced bun.[3]

I don't think most of that is true --

Frozen hot dogs don't come with buns but they're still labeled "hot dogs" - so I don't think the bun is a requirement.

Further, hot dogs don't have to be grilled, steamed, or boiled - in fact, they're pre-cooked and can be eaten out of the package, without any of those types of preparation, whatsoever. 57.135.233.22 (talk) 00:03, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

I disagree, in my opinion, without bun it's not "Hot Dog", it's just sausage, nothing else than it only, in fact, every time you see a hot dog, you will see a bun in the ingredients, whenever. 177.105.90.10 (talk) 14:10, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

This is empirically false. Hereis an example of a product labeled as Hot Dog, which don't include any buns at all. So either the manufacturer is misrepresenting their product, or a Hot Dog doesn't in fact, require a bun to be called a hot dog. 57.135.233.22 (talk) 02:33, 27 June 2024 (UTC)